7 [deleted] 3 yr. ago Explains why sam got the shield. Why? He watches a video recording of Peggy from 1953, where she explained how, during the war, Captain America saved a bunch of men, including a man who would become her husband. That should change after Endgame. And Other Amazing Comic Book Trivia! All we can do is our best and sometimes the best we can do is to start over." Directors Joe and Anthony Russo dont clear this up through the filmmaking after Cap jumps, the camera glides over to find Old Cap, who, if Hulk and Tony Stark are right, has been living under cover this entire time, a happily married man. Because we know who she is and it's a part of his life that is his and his alone. He says, Ill miss you. Clearly he knows something.. The miniseries Captain America/Black Panther: Flags of Our Fathers saw Captain America and Nick Fury and the Howling Commandoes go to Wakanda in World War II to keep the Nazis from taking the country over and taking control of its Vibranium supply. Hes coy about saying her name in both classic Hollywood and Marvel fashion, therell always be a little mystery to their on-screen romance but this is one of the happy endings. Not only that, but even if Namor did not know STEVE ROGERS, Marvel continuity had established that Namor had met two other guys calling themselves Captain America, so even if he didn't know Steve, he surely should have recognized the Captain America costume. Now normally, a hypothetical fight between Captain America and Batman would have very differing opinions. In that scene, Peggy and Steve are finally reunited and dancing in what looks to be their home. So what if that What If world of this show happens to be the one our Steve Rogers from the prime timeline came to inhabit? We know from the final shot of the movie that Cap went back and found Peggy Carter, and we know the Russo brothers say he went to live in a branch timeline, not the prime one. No no, I dont think I will, the old man replies. Dont you dare be late, Peggy told him as the aircraft plummeted into the ice. Red Skull felt slated because Cap didn't recognize him." . Since Cap didn't tell Sam who his wife was, we technically don't know for sure. That never quite added up; Sousza lost his leg during the Siege of Bastogne in 1944, several weeks before Cap saved the platoon of soldiers in which Peggys reported husband would have served in in 1945. When he isnt writing about or watching new releases, Cooper is a fantasy football obsessive and looking to expand his Blu-Ray collection because physical media is still king! At the end of Avengers: Endgame, a 1940s-style car passed through the scene, confirming the era. Maybe not. and our Captain America's fate in 'Avengers: Endgame' may be more simple than it seems. That segues into Cap remembering Peggy, and having a flashback to their last meeting, where Cap believed that she had been killed (she's not actually named Peggy Carter in the issue, that doesn't come until we learn the name of her kid sister, Sharon Carter, which takes a while). Offers may be subject to change without notice. Armchair Imagineer. Why would the government order to play the videos in schools if Steve Rogers was indeed a war criminal at the time? He features legends about entertainment and sports at his website, Legends Revealed and other pop culture features at Pop Culture References. However, they stomp off in the wrong direction, and Hades has to correct them. When the two have a brief conversation later, Steve even calls Peter 'kid', indicating he knows how young Peter is. Namor, being a bit of a petulant jerk, chucked the ice into the water, where it melted and Cap came out of suspended animation and was discovered by the Avengers. Iron Man may have kickstarted the MCU but it was Captain America who was the first superhero, the original Avenger, long before any of the other superheroes first suited up and started taking down bad guys. Okay, folks, this sort of thing is something that happens all the time, so if you have any suggestions for future "The Book of Knowledge" features, drop me a line at brianc@cbr.com! Cookie Notice This conversation plays completely differently afterEndgameand Markus and McFeely's explanation of Cap's journey. noted that there was a Captain America/Black Panther miniseries that offered an explanation. It's safe to assume that Steve's journey in the MCU is now over since he gave up being Captain America and passed the legacy onto his friend Sam. So, has Cap been living in the past this whole time or did he go and live in another dimension? In other words, times when stuff like the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe either introduced or resolved changes to continuity. He would know he had to keep his distance to keep the timeline intact. But no matter the result, it would be pretty close. Now audiences finally know the fate of Steve Rogers, but is it really what it seems? Sign up for THR news straight to your inbox every day, Get the scoops first! Hudlin pushed it to T'Challa's grandfather (and knowing what we know now about the various things that are done to the Black Panther vis a vis enhanced abilities, it could probably remain his grandfather for a loooooong time, as T'Challa's father could be born at pretty much any point that we feel like, honestly. Cooper Hood is a news and feature writer for Screen Rant. But the only one who even vaguely succeeds and wipes the smug smile off Thor's face is Steve who budges the hammer but doesn't lift it. He doesn't, however, find someone who could help him overcome his feelings and instead channels them by fighting villains and punching boxing bags. And Other Comic Book Legends Revealed and Why Does Batman Carry Shark Repellent? The Russo brothers explained that Steve lived out this life with Peggy in an alternate reality, butAvengers: Endgame's writers Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely said otherwise. Its unlikely Steve went back to that year to be with Peggy, especially since she would have already had a family by then. Let me explain. To live out his days with the love of his life, Peggy Carter. After being unfrozen at . The same could go for Steve and Peggys entire social and business circle. But he had enough time to come up with a way how to tell Tony what really happened and explain that Bucky was brainwashed and not responsible for his actions. True, considering Steve's real age, everybody is a kid to him, but it's still a nice hypothetical twist that the films just didn't focus on. That doesnt negate their relationship. Thats what Old Cap asks Falcon after he gives him the vibranium shield. [MCU] Why Steve didn't want to tell Sam about his wife. Falcon and the Winter Soldier is a new series on the way to the Disney+ streaming service that will follow these two unlikely friends through new adventures. They were reunited after Steve was unfrozen, but only for a short while before Peggy passed of old age. MCU: Thor Vs. Captain America: Which Was The Better Trilogy? One of the biggest plot problems when it comes to Steve and Peggy's relationship is the Sharon and Steve love story. On the other hand, Joe adds, Sam doesnt know something. Falcon has no idea about Old Cap, which is why The Winter Soldier urges him to go up and talk to the now-elderly Steve Rogers. this link is to an external site that may or may not meet accessibility guidelines. So Steve would lift it all the way up or not at all. (A son and daughter, of course, because nuclear family tradition!) But one question remains RELATED: MCU: Thor Vs. Captain America: Which Was The Better Trilogy? During this time, Peggy is 68 years old and has a wedding ring on her left hand. The Sentinel of Liberty has been through a lot across his films from The First Avenger to Winter Soldier to Civil War and each Avengers team-up so it only makes sense that his story come full circle. Theres one other piece of evidence that supports this theory. Please enter a valid email and try again. Lets spitball the possibilities: Maybe in the timeline where Old Cap has been living the shield he gave Sam actually belonged to that dimensions Sam Wilson. A weekly roundup of the best things from Polygon. For example, he could have spared himself all the trouble and not crash with the plane in the first Captain America movie. Kitty Kallens rendition of Its Been a Long, Long Time plays them, and the film, off. That segues into Cap remembering Peggy two issues later and having a flashback to their last meeting, where Cap believed that she had been killed (she's not actually named Peggy Carter in the issue, that doesn't come until we learn the name of her kid sister, Sharon Carter, which takes a while). and added all of the extra stuff. note: this post contains major spoilers for Avengers: Endgame]. Today, we look into the long-coming explanation for why Captain America and Namor did not recognize each other when they met in Avengers #4. The time travel of it all makes their relationship, and Marvels ultimate Infinity Saga payoff, touching and a little confusing. Visit our corporate site (opens in new tab). This story was a revised version of the first meeting between Captain America and T'Chaka, T'Challa's FATHER in Black Panther #30 (by Christopher Priest and Norm Breyfogle). Thank you for signing up to CinemaBlend. For instance, the whole where did Cap go? question could very well be answered in the animated What If series that Marvel is developing for Disney+, based on something its been doing in comics for a while. While it was a touching moment seeing them together, a few things about Steve's new life don't make sense. Of course, there are many reasons why Sam works too, but the movie just didn't devote a lot of time to fleshing out the process. Because there's more to this story than meets the eye. Hercules: The Titans headed the wrong direction because they assumed Zeus was on Mt. Based on the chronology, by the time that Sam would have been fighting age, Steve Rogers would already be elderly and probably ready to hand off the mantle. Avengers: Endgame was designed to bring Phase 3 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe to a close, and while it largely left fans satisfied, that's not to say it didn't leave fans with a few questions as the credits began to roll. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Marvel Studios has already broken new. You will receive a verification email shortly. Evenifthis ending was locked in stone back whenThe Winter Soldierwas made, there's no other option for Peggy than to lie to Steve about his future. It's also respectful to her now that she has gone. 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He has written two books about comics for Penguin-Random House Was Superman a Spy? Like its someone elses, Falcon answers. Time-travel rule issues aside, we have one more big question answered about the ending of Endgame. One of the most possible scenarios that don't come up often enough about Captain America is that he doesn't seek out help. Somehow, he was aware that Cap was going to live in the past, and its probably more than just intuition. Captain America's cameo was one of the funniest parts of Spider-Man: Homecoming (2017), a film already filled with plenty of funny scenes. His writing has been featured at ESPN.com, the Los Angeles Times, About.com, the Huffington Post and Gizmodo. The question then becomes, how is he back in this reality to give the shield away?, Interesting question, right? Joe said. Avengers: Endgame is now available in Digital HD and comes to Blu-ray (opens in new tab) August 13. NY 10036. What if this entire time, Steve was meant to go back to Peggy and his future in the MCU all along was to return to her? We see photos of Peggy with her children on the table, but no photos of her husband. We just dont see the linear time logic that made it all possible. For previously mentioning that I should really talk about Black Panther #30. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission. Another question: Where was future Steve during Peggys time in the nursing home and at her funeral? The MCUs tiniest heroes are kicking off its biggest phase yet, setting up the next several years of storytelling. Oh, Peggy Was Lying To Steve In Captain America: The Winter Soldier? It is a bit hard to forget a dude in a red, white and blue costume calling himself Captain America. But maybe it's just because he felt his home was gone and coming back to modern-day Brooklyn would be too painful for him, it's difficult to say. But if this is true, then that means Peggy is lying to Steve inThe Winter Soldier. We use cookies and other tracking technologies to improve your browsing experience on our site, show personalized content and targeted ads, analyze site traffic, and understand where our audiences come from. Neither of those comic books expressly said that that is why Captain America and Namor did not recognize each other, but that was the basis for another comic book series doing so. The movie made sure not to show any picture of Peggy with her husband. In the same movie, Steve visits a 93-year-old Peggy in the nursing home where we learn she has Alzheimers. Yes, it couldn't have been easy and he wanted to protect Bucky. In The Winter Soldier, Steve takes a break from saving the world to visit the Smithsonian Institution and look at the various memorials of his wartime efforts. 1 1.Endgame, at the end, why did old Steve refuse to tell Sam - Quora; 2 2. For those who don't study MCU history closely, Steve Rogers was born in 1918, meaning he was 27 years old when he crash-landed Red Skull's plane in the Arctic in 1945. Steve could've married and been with Peggy in secret. Maybe he does do those things, but it would be in the alternate universe. If Cap were to go back into the past and live there, he would create a branched reality, Joe explained. For a time, many thought Peggys solo series Agent Carter, written by Avengers: Endgame screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely, had nudged enough to make soldier-turned-spy Daniel Sousza the unspoken, but obvious, answer. Why He Doesnt Rock The Infamous Mustache, South Park In The Middle Of Huge Lawsuit, But It's Not For Prince Harry And Meghan Markle Parody, Sean Penn And Robin Wrights Actor Son Hopper Has A Blunt Comment About Nepo Babies, Former Bachelorette Kaitlyn Bristowe Accuses The Bachelor Of Faking Zach Shallcross COVID Scenes. Privacy Policy. We already know not everyone involved with the movie feels the same way, but neither explanation has been explicitly made canon so far. The revelation that he didn't actually diedefinitely falls under the life-changing category, especially since they got married. But why didn't he choose Bucky instead? She also publishes in a number of Czech magazines. When he politely declines to tell Sam about his wife, it may be a nod to the audience: You dont get to know any of it either. The ending to the Marvel Studios epic has left fans with some questions, Credit: Zade Rosenthal/ Marvel Studios 2018. Even Haley Atwell, the star of the show, has never been able to give a definitive answer to the husband mystery. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. Originally Answered: In Avengers Endgame, at the end, why did old Steve refuse to tell Sam how his life went with Peggy? Could Steve Rogers have found a way to make the timelines realign? alternate timeline where he lived with Peggy after giving Sam the shield, though fans can't agree if there even is an alternate . How Marvel went big with Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. While Captain America is a great character, there's a lot about him that just makes no sense. In Ant-Man (2015), we see a 1989 flashback in which Hank Pym (Michael Douglas) confronts SHIELD heads Howard Stark (John Slattery), Mitchell Carson (Martin Donovan) and Peggy about attempting to replicate the Pym Particles. Perhaps no character faced more theorizing about his fate than Captain America (Chris Evans), whom many believed would die in part because Evans had been open about retiring from the role. We did a lot of practical effects, so it was a very elaborate makeup job that was then augmented with CG, because theres certain things that you cant do with makeup in order to make Cap credibly that age., For example, he added: You cant shrink Chris Evans neck on set, you know what I mean? With the release of Endgame, audiences are left to wonder about the mechanics of time travel in the MCU. Did Cap jump back in time before or after he rescued the father of her children? MCU continuity has always had an older Steve, Theory: Captain America Became Mr. Rodgers After Traveling Back In Time, not to show any picture of Peggy with her husband, Markus and McFeely's ideas about the ending, Avengers: Endgame Writer Confirms 'Old Steve' Cameo Theory, Captain America: The Winter Soldier (2014), Avatar: The Way of Water Breaks Major International Box Office Record, Puss In Boots: The Last Wish Set Up Shrek 5 Entirely By Accident, Quantum Of Solace's Original Ending Would've Totally Changed Craig's 007. Does anyone think Steve and Peggy had kids? If future Steve had stayed to be with Peggy, wouldnt that mean the existence that she created with her unnamed husband and their two children would be erased? See what EW thinks of the 'Avengers: Endgame,' starring Robert Downey Jr., Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Scarlett Johansson, Mark Ruffalo, Paul Rudd, Brie Larson, and more. He graduated college in 2016 with a Bachelor's degree in Media & Public Communication, with a minor in Media Production. Still, maybe we will. Welcome to the Quantum Realm. However, here's the tricky part. Just like the past, you cant alter it too much or it becomes unrecognizable. However, Marvel later revealed that Captain America was put into suspended animation before the end of the war, so he couldn't possibly have been part of the very much POST World War II story in All-Winners Comics #19. Instead, Steve kept the truth hidden and it led to the Avengers breaking apart when Tony finally found out. When he politely declines to tell Sam about his wife, it may be a nod to the audience: You don't get to know any of it either. After all, he works for the S.H.I.E.L.D. It's a funny moment but it doesn't correspond with what is known about the hammer - a person is either worthy of lifting it or the hammer doesn't move at all. RELATED: Captain America Vs. Thanos: Who Would Win? Steve knew that Bucky was the one who killed Tony's parents but even though he and Tony were friends at the time, he didn't tell him the truth. [Ed. It's clear that he already understood what had happened, but now we know it's because Steve told him. Thanks for the question, Samuel! Cinemablend is part of Future US Inc, an international media group and leading digital publisher. However, she was very old and frail, and suffering Alzheimer's as shown in Winter Soldier. All the latest gaming news, game reviews and trailers. Covering the hottest movie and TV topics that fans want. Hes supposed to return to 2023 after his mission is done, but he remains in the past to live his life with Peggy Carter (Hayley Atwell). Iron Man may have kickstarted the MCU but it was Captain America who was the first superhero, the original Avenger, long before any of the other superheroes first suited . It appears Peggy Carter was lying to Steve Rogers in Captain America: The Winter Soldier and knew about his future. Both Sam Wilson and Bucky Barnes have become Captain America in the comics, so which would it be in the MCU? Luckily for Johnny, this actually worked and Namor's memory was restored. Because he's Sam's father, or grandfather. You cannot affect the future by going to the past. and one book, 100 Things X-Men Fans Should Know & Do Before They Die, from Triumph Books. Subscribe for full access to The Hollywood Reporter. Steve didn't tell Sam about his life with Peggy because it would collapse the hidden-in-plain-sight house of cards Steve built. Because he also paid Sam's mom a visit. Hiding from soldiers looking for him, Steve sneaks into an office and sees an old photo of him on the desk. It was established inCaptain America: Winter Soldier (2014) that Peggy ended up marrying after Steves apparent death and having children. If Hulks theory stays true, Cap is not the father of those kids he saw in previous movies. All Rights Reserved. After returning the Infinity Stones to their proper homes within the timeline, Steve Rogers decided to stay in the past and live out his life with Peggy Carter. People keep suggesting that Steve and Peggy were together in an alternate time line, but it doesn't have to be. In 1986, Marvel debuted Marvel Saga, an ambitious re-telling of the Marvel Age of Comics by historian Peter Sanderson, using actual Marvel Comics to tell the story of the Marvel Universe in chronological order. and the military should have given him money for the time he was frozen in the ice. How will Falcon's status as the new Captain America work into the next phase of the MCU? Theres a lot of layers built into this movie and we spent three years thinking through it, so its fun to talk about it and hopefully fill in holes for people so they understand what were thinking., There are other questions in this sequence that set up this future story. Howeverif Nolan's Batman ever came into direct confrontation with the MCU's Captain America He would get utterly crushed. Still, it looks like Captain America isn't that well-off, considering he mentioned he can't afford to live in Brooklyn anymore. He finds Peggy Carter and stays with her. Are there multiple Peggys coexisting in the timeline, too? bitches aint shit, but hoes and tricks. He could have set the plane on a collision course and then jump out of it. In Endgame, Bruce explained to the team some of the laws of time travel. People keep suggesting that Steve and Peggy were together in an alternate time line, but it doesn't have to be. Published Jul 4, 2020. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The truth is, there are deliberate mysteries built into that sequence, which directors Joe and Anthony Russo suggested are setting up future stories. In doing so, it also closes the book on a long lingering mystery for his corner of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. To live out his days with the love of his life, Peggy Carter. 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Peggy's orders." Colleen O'Brien and Peggy Carter [src] "Peg, you work at the phone company; it ain't life and death." "Darling, you have no idea." Colleen O'Brien and Peggy Carter [src] "Agent Carter, we just pulled a red ball out of D.C. All hands on deck. It might not be needed for the emotional payoff, but those of us who have to have answers for the mathematical questions can rest . Sanderson would edit the stories together into a cohesive narrative and he would then throw in little extra bits to make it all fit. He also is an avid lover of M&M McFlurries from McDonalds, and accepts that he has an addiction to them. Some fans believed that he was already aware of Spider-Man/Peter and was keeping tabs on him. While many suspected that Steve Rogers would be hanging up the shield following Avengers: Endgame, the question of who would take it up was open. Similarly, Cap and Namor teamed up with Human Torch 1953's Young Men #26 (by Don Rico and John Romita), but that, too, was determined to have been ANOTHER replacement Captain America named William Burnside. A documentary showing Carter reveals that she later got married to an unnamed man who was saved by Steve from a HYDRA blockade in 1945. As we can assume from the ring on Old Man Steves finger, he and Peggy tied the knot in the past. Role With Tom Selleck. CBR Senior Writer Brian Cronin has been writing professionally about comic books for over fifteen years now at CBR (primarily with his Comics Should Be Good series of columns, including Comic Book Legends Revealed). During this time, Peggy would be almost 50 years old. It was all Evans, created through a mix of prosthetics on his face and digital touchups to thin it all down. In Priest's version, T'Chaka gave the Vibranium willingly. Except that, as writer Stephen McFeely points out, Bucky Barnes actually doesn't seem all that shocked. Why would he say "I'm gonna miss you" if it's gonna be five seconds? At least, not as we know him. However, amusingly enough, there actually WAS an explanation for why Captain America wouldn't recall Black Panther's grandfather (or being in Wakanda before). He kept his head down over the decades and let everything play out while he had his family, then grew into the moment. Its a balance we want to always strike between making him feel credibly aged, but also not compromising the performance.. But he eventually returned to pass . By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. 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