read more, Scripture: Why would the Bible give us both descriptive and prescriptive instruction to warn against false teaching if doing so is a sin (gossip)? I dont think you read my comment carefully enough. Furthermore, if this is a disingenuous comment/questions, you are being deceitful and displaying ungodly character and you need to repent. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. Our Ladies Bible Study started a new season on January 5 with Priscilla Shires Armor of God. In our modern Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. If you need more information, Id suggest BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, CARM.org, GTY.org, and Apprising.org. Did you feel any kind of fear? Michelle, (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. I have no doubt that others have confronted her about these things. You know, your making this comment right now is very interesting timing. It is people like Priscilla Shirer who make up their own doctrine and point people to their personal views rather than the Bible. It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective. (Also, lets please try to keep things friendly and polite, OK?). Go beyond by faith. If you could give me some rightly handled, in context, chapter and verse Scripture to back up your opinions and beliefs, we could talk about it. Here are my 2.1. INTRODUCTION: The result is that those doctrines and beliefs often conflict with Scripture because theyre not based on Scripture but a fallible personal experience. In Japan there was a man in the imperial orchestra couldnt play a note. My exact words were: I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Since I made that comment, Ive seen several endorsements of Priscilla Shirer and her materials by Tony Evans, so I guess that tells us his perspective and the fact that hes not very discerning. 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: September 1, 2002 What an encouragement! I and my attendants will fast as you do. Priscilla Shirer on Hearing the Voice of God on Issues, Etc. What is your belief regarding Israel and the plan God has for the future of Israel? True, and there are many problems with Beth Moore as well. Joshua 24:1-33, Beyond Sunday is about being a person who is after Gods own heart a person who loves God first and foremost who places their love relationship number one in their life the person who does the One Thing the greatest thing first with God/Jesus love, Beyond Sunday pt. Id be interested, too! Olga Souders As I mentioned in my comment, I was here with my wife, completely of my own volition, in no way did Michelle do anything unbiblical. ), but 2 Corinthians 6:14ff and 2 John 9-11, among other passages, are very clear that we are not to partner with those who teach false doctrine, which Catholicism, Word of Faith, and many other churches do. One example that best showcases Priscillas penchant for eisegesis and poor hermeneutics can be found in this promotional video for her study,One in a Million: 0:46-This same God was supposed to be speaking to me, teaching to me, making Himself relevant to mein the regular rhythms of my everyday living. Also, if you had read the paragraph at the very top of this article and clicked on please click here and read this article first, your initial question in this comment (about sin) would have been answered. Being a person of great influence and wealth, he had demanded that he be given a place in the group because he wanted to "perform" before NOW, I have to preface this with this was MANY years ago. I think you might find this brief video helpful as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-_THJXignk. Thank you so much for your consideration, and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. If he had, he would have been advocating one of four principles, which are inconsistent with the rest . 2 John 1:1-11. but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. CARM has done articles on Beth Moore, Joyce Meyer, and some other well-known false teachers, which Ive linked to in other articles. It often times fails. if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. God bless you, and keep up the good work sister! You do not want to get rid of fear entirely. Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. This title is taken directly from the text; verse 37 tells us that the people were astonished beyond measure. Its this link: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=18085. And this faith is . My heart longs for you to grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ by learning the truth of His word. 2 JOHN read more, Scripture: read more, Scripture: Looking back over my copy of He Speaks to Me,and sifting through numerous videos of her teaching, its clearthat her method of teaching is mainly eisegesis. I think youll also find my article Is She a False Teacher? Often, when readers express their disagreement, they do so in a very vicious and attacking way, so I really appreciate it when someone politely expresses herself. This article is kept continuously updated as needed. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Do you think the stretching feels good? As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? Matthew 6:9-13. It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. THIS LETTER WAS WRITTEN TO AN ANONYMOUS CHRISTIAN WOMAN WHO APPEARS TO OPEN HER HOME TO BELIEVERS FOR WORSHIP AND FELLOWSHIP. Then why did you ask me any questions? It was an immediate NO after I listened to less than 1 minute of her reference about Oprah. I can always use more people praying for me. The last verse was a warning; this is an encouragement. Romans 16:17-18 tells us were to mark false teachers and avoid them. Also, and I am not downing what you say, as you obviously have many wonderful people reading your blog, these women are an excellent entry way in to the faith. Hi Lisa- I think the articles in my Rock Your Role series will help answer your questions and give you a biblical understanding of womens roles in the church. It is called cross promotion. on Fighting for the Faith, True Woman Conference Speaker Priscilla Shirer Hears Gods Still, Small Voice at Apprising Ministries, Priscilla Shirer and Contemplative/Centering Prayer at Apprising Ministries, He Speaks to Me (April 24, 2008) promo video by Priscilla Shirer, War Rooms Priscilla Shirers Contemplative History, and Why ItMattersat Berean Research, Review of Priscilla Shirers Sermon: The Multitude by Chris Rosebrough, Priscilla Shirer- Mystic by David Sheldon, Priscilla Shirer: Out Of The Closet At The Alpha Leadership Conference 2017at Emergent Watch, Priscilla Shirerat Fighting for the Faith, Fervent Warning on Priscilla Shirerat Christian Answers for the New Age, Why I do not recommend Kendrick Brothers new movie, War Room, part 2 at The End Time, War Room: A Review by Justin Peters at Worldview Weekend, Stand Firm: A Review of War Room at Satisfaction Through Christ, Reblogged this on Seth Dunn and commented: None. Thats good, but that doesnt change the fact that neither Beth nor Priscilla turn down speaking events that are open to both men and women. With all that said, I do not say any of this out of ill intent, anger, or anything along those lines, I simply wanted to clarify, and say, that I agree with Michelles exegesis of (Matthew. Or and be .. Certainly. Michelle Thank you for your work in the area of discernment. Heres why: 1. read more, Scripture: I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, but in my mind, if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, but any time I have been to a conference where these women spoke and I looked across an entire arena of seats, very very few of them were occupied by men. Feel free to e-mail me (MichelleLesley1@yahoo.com) if it would be easier for you. Go beyond putting ourselves first. They point you to your own experiences and opinions, not to Scripture, as your authority for what you think, believe, and do. -Opened new If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. Josh 9:1. Introduction to Beyond Sunday Series: If you have followed me for any length of time, you have seen me raise this issue repeatedly regarding female Bible teachers and speakers. Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? Then you won't arrogantly place one of us in opposition to the other. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. 5:7 ). Morning Service She is a false teacher, not because I say so, but because when you compare her teachings and behavior to Scripture, you will find them consistently in conflict with Scripture. I am curious about this comment, I realize this post is old so I dont know if it will be read however, based on the above article and your statements in your article referenced at the top this man who is talking about reading from your blog and learning from you is sinning by being under your teaching. Jakes daughter), Priscilla Shirers promo page at Hillsong, Priscilla Shirer, featured speaker at Hillsongs 2016 Colour ConferencewithBrian Houston, Bobbie Houston, andChristine Caine. Scripture (Romans 16:17-18, 2 John 9-1, Titus 3:10-11, and others) says we are to run from them, not listen to them, and certainly we should not encourage lost people to listen to them, lest they put their faith in a false christ and remain in their sin. She sounds really nice and charismatic and thats about it but my spirit doesnt bear witness with her. Tools. Indeed, we were the first to reach you with the gospel of Christ. The MEGA Live Event July 23rd, 2021 Tulips & Honey. - Jonah didnt smell good. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. No, I have not confronted Priscilla Shirer about her sin (and thank you for realizing that what shes doing is, in fact, sin). In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. So I was wondering if I could ask you a couple of questions regarding your comments before we begin our study? Which is why it grieves me to have to answer that question with: Her theology. Unfortunately, there are serious red flags about some of the things Priscilla does and teaches that Christian women who follow her, or are considering following her, need to be made aware of. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). One of two things happens: either Im ignored altogether, or one of her underlings gets back in touch with me to defend her. 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Tonight at church he came up and thanked me for sharing and said he hated that these studies got past him. 1 Samuel 30: 6 And David was greatly distressed; for the people spake of stoning him, because the soul of all the people was grieved, every man for his sons and for his daughters: but David encouraged himself in the LORD his I read myself into scripture, too! Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. She has been doing so for years. Its not about doing good works to get myself into heaven, like going to church every And besides all these big names, arent just claiming to over see a church, they are writing New York best sellers, etc. Hi Osa- Not off the top of my head. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, Like The Gospel Coalition, CARM, Tim Challies, etc?) I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. Thats a long sentence!). It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. Pentecostal. Ill let you know how we continue our course of action. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. However, a teenager pointed out to me that Abraham was called . Beth and Priscilla both teach a false Jesus and a false gospel. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. Defining Moment; Joshua 24 Preached at Midway Community Church June 11, 2000; How is this different?. The Mailbag: Is It OK for Christian Women to Wear Bikinis? I totally disagree with you on this. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: And how their lives could be changed, too. That preaching to and teaching men is a violation of Scripture is also not an accusation, but a statement of fact. Yes, thats basically the requirement for salvation, but Christians are required to obey ALL of Gods instructions, including the ones about not joining with people who call themselves Christians yet hold to teachings and beliefs that conflict with Scripture. (Yikes!). Is she a false teacher? Heres an example of Priscilla preaching to men and yoking with a false teacher as she preaches the Sunday sermon at Joel Osteens Lakewood Church: Priscilla teaches Christians to listen for Gods voice in an unbiblical form of prayer called contemplative prayer. How I wish I could ask him what he thinks of his heathen saving methods now that he has seen the face of Jesus!). Can you please provide a list of female speakers/writers whom you do recommend? Scripture is very clear that people like Priscilla Shirer who teach false doctrine confuse and stir up evil among believers: I appeal to you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them. When I participated in Priscillas DVD studyHe Speaks to Meseveral years ago, I found her to be an engaging writer, a witty storyteller, and charismatic speaker. When the disciples asked Jesus to teach them to pray, He taught them: Pray then like this: Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. And if I perish, I perish. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Pastor Chris Rosebrough explains why Priscillas twisting of John 10 to mean that we can hear God speak to us is unbiblical. All of these people are proponents of the false and anti-biblical Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) doctrine, and the Jakeses are also modalists. Disclaimer: The specific links below are provided and endorsed as evidence pertaining to this article only. Thats very wise, and I respect that. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. The Holy Spirit decided that what this church needed to combat that false teaching was a refresher course in Christology (the study of Christ- who He was, what He did, and why). Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Wow, I found Ms. Shirers book Fervent very helpful and uplifting. Matthew 28:1-20, Denomination: My previous comment with the links was in answer to questions that you asked. What Ive given you here are not my personal views. My personal views dont matter, and neither do yours. I am curious, have you confronted Priscilla Shirer of this sin. This article really turned me off on her. Real hope is only found in the true Christ of Scripture, and thats not what Beth and Priscilla teach. Going Beyond Obedience. There are two sources for fear: when we are caught up in something we did not count on, and when we are not in control. The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. Free Sermons and Sermon Outlines for Preaching : How To Respond To Newly-Delivered People Who Still Are A Mess. I dont know half of your theological terminology, The Bible says dont do X, Beth Moore does X. Thats breaking Gods command, which is sin. Personal experiences can be evidence of the truth of rightly handled and understood Scripture, but not vice versa. Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? The word astonished means to be struck with amazement. By Wade Martin Hughes, Sr. Kyfingers@aol.com 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. He wants you to learn good theology and sound doctrine. 2 Kings 5:1-15 Moving Beyond the Motions Have women not been given a part in The Great Commission from Jesus? SCRIPTURES YOU CAN USE: I will give them a heart to know Me, for I am the Lord; and they will be My people, and I will be their God, for they will return to Me with their whole heart. If they ever do an article on her, I will add it to my list of resources here. I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. Kay Arthur, Beth Moore, and Priscilla Shirer Believe In Teaching Men Tooat Surphs Side. For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). Notice the emphasis around the 1:37 mark on peoples personal experiences (praying for miracles, etc.) First,this is a sin. She also teaches false doctrine (things that either are at odds with Scripture or arent in Scripture at all) and partners with other false teachers (people who teach false doctrine). There are Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. Then Judah said to Onan, "Go in to your brother's wife, and perform your duty as a brother-in-law to her, and raise up offspring for your brother." 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